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SomeOldWomen's avatar

Thanks for posting this, I needed to hear this today. As a middle-aged medium-fit woman with some chronic diseases and menopause symptoms, I have worn a Garmin watch day and night for over a year now and it was hard to ignore the inaccurate assumptions it arrives at based on its generic estimates. It sucks to be shown a red or pink training status that says you are 'strained' or 'unproductive' for weeks, and for the HRV to be shown as 'low' or 'unbalanced' when you feel normal and your morning measurement shows it is just fine and you are good to go again. I try to stick to a sound training plan that builds muscle, incorprates 80/20 endurance traning and contains enough rest days for me individually so that I can keep going. Being told over and over again by my device that this is not so good for me and I should simultaneously add more high intensity training and rest more, is frustrating. I don't feel that these devices are for me. I'm clearly not the target group so I end up turning 'Training status' off a lot. Many women post in the forums, that they have problems with the estimations because they do not consider their hormonal cycle properly. That's like half the population that gets fed generic estimates that don't fit their bodies and training goals - and we cannot adjust the settings either. I'd love to be able to just adjust the settings. It would be a game changer.

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Marco - interesting as always. I've been thinking about these issues a little bit recently. On a pure physiological basis I agree with you - much of physiology + model to infer some value seem to be mostly marketing/strong commitments to a very particular philosophy of science, both of which are equally present in academic research.

On the flip side I've been beginning to think that estimates and scores serve a useful psychological purpose. My hunch is that for many people (not elite athletes) these estimates/scores have enough accuracy, enough of the time, to be useful ways to create psychological meaning (essentially gamification) that helps one prioritize taking care of their body in a world full of noise.

The caveat to that view is that why not just use actual meaningful physiology (HRV measured sitting in the morning) to do this... to which my feeling is that scores/estimates maybe helpful we have a world full of noise and marketing :/

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